What's your preferred DLSS config?

[Chomiq]

Still sticking to DLSS Quality, although it produced some ghosting in Like a Dragon: Gaiden (fixed by disabling DOF - maybe replacing DLSS dll could resolve this). Squad just released a new update and it also includes DLSS now, along with frame gen. For game that I played 30 hours within the last two weeks (and have around 3k hours in total) lowered power draw while keeping same or higher FPS is a welcome improvement.

Edit.
People are saying that FG makes their game crash after 5 minutes in Squad.

 

[Todestrieb]

Alright, I have already dropped my votes and two cents before, but I have to say this, I'm very baffled by some along the lines of "I can’t believe all those who voted for native have actually tried DLSS ever in their lives". Very, very, very, very, very, very baffled. Like, seriously. Really??

But then, I sit too close to the monitor by default, and the small selection of games and cases I have ever tried DLSS with either ends up horribly (F1 2021 @ 1080p, Forza Motorsport 8 @1080p or 4K), acceptable with noticeable something (F1 Manager series, Forza Horizon 5), or failed to muster enough performance with DLSS (Forza Motorsport 8 @ 4K, about 2 updates earlier).
DLAA is mostly good, but it is not good enough; it is something I will prefer off if my mood say so.

With my admitably very limited experience (about 2~3 days on these 3 games for the sake of trying), of course I cannot go as far to disprove "DLSS can look better than native". But I tried DLSS and DLAA and I feel indifferent.
Because I'm probably too sensitive to that kind of something, and because there are possibly some lack of competence on the devs of the games (definitely on FM8, probably on the very old F1 2021) that is not necessarily NVIDIA's fault, or I'm just never going to play the right genre of games that will leverage DLSS better, I don't think I will believe that kind of claims in near future. It is just too sus.

But there's virtually no chance I will try anything not related to racing, so that is that.
Before you ask, I used a 3070 until very recently. No, I'm not going to pop that 3070 back again.

 

[Brendan9140]

I’m still using my old 1080 Ti, so all i have access to is either FSR or XESS, both which are still visually acceptable for me. I wish Pascal cards could use DLSS in some way but I guess it’s just a consequence of sticking with an older architecture.

 

[lexluthermiester]

My vote was "Native (DLSS disabled)". I just don't use it, so these debates going on have no meaning. I'm not alone either. DLSS/FSR just aren't that great..

Have you folks even tried shutting it off? I completely disable any and all forms of AntiAliasing as well. Performance is good, appearance is good too!

 

[wolf]

DLSS/FSR just aren't that great..

Have you folks even tried shutting it off? I completely disable any and all forms of AntiAliasing as well. Performance is good, appearance is good too!

An unsurprising result from someone who would rather run zero antialiasing at all lol. What video card do you use for gaming?

fwiw, this thread has nothing to do with FSR, the title and first post are pretty easy to understand, but unfortunately with no checks and balances on that, both the discussion and poll results are skewed by non DLSS users.

Kind of? Well, not really, unless you read my comments as plain words without context (which I don't think you should).

There's also this one, I could keep digging but it's moot because you'll argue against it anyway, but there is no way you can convince me that you haven't ever called upscaling a gimmick, own it, don't, not fussed, but it happened.

So what does the Ada release by Nvidia mean to you

That's the reality we live in though Nvidia’s $h!+ is worth more than AMD's $h!+. I don't care whose shit is worth what. I'm not gonna pay extra for features that I don't care about, features that make my 1080p image look like crap, features that are for streamers, features that are supposed to...

www.techpowerup.com

Shall we leave it there?

 

[AusWolf]

An unsurprising result from someone who would rather run zero antialiasing at all lol. What video card do you use for gaming?

fwiw, this thread has nothing to do with FSR, the title and first post are pretty easy to understand, but unfortunately with no checks and balances on that, both the discussion and poll results are skewed by non DLSS users.

If the poll is only for DLSS users, then why do we have "no DLSS" and "FSR on Nvidia" as possible options? Again, you're clouded by your own personal judgement on DLSS, thinking that everyone should see the same thing on their screens as you see on yours. Guess what, everyone's monitors, eyes, and expectations are different. Some people like a sharp image, some don't. Some people like pixelated graphics, some don't. No wonder sharpening is a slider in your GPU driver menu, and not a yes or no option. There's no objective truth here.

There's also this one, I could keep digging but it's moot because you'll argue against it anyway, but there is no way you can convince me that you haven't ever called upscaling a gimmick, own it, don't, not fussed, but it happened.

So what does the Ada release by Nvidia mean to you

That's the reality we live in though Nvidia’s $h!+ is worth more than AMD's $h!+. I don't care whose shit is worth what. I'm not gonna pay extra for features that I don't care about, features that make my 1080p image look like crap, features that are for streamers, features that are supposed to...

www.techpowerup.com

Shall we leave it there?

Where do you see me specifically mentioning DLSS in conjunction with the word "gimmicks"? I will not own it as I have never said it, it's that simple, so stop giving words into my mouth.

If it makes you happy, I will call frame generation a gimmick right here, right now, but that's it. It doesn't work well with a low frame rate input, and it's pointless with a high one, therefore it's a gimmick.

As for DLSS, I'll stick to my opinion: it's a useful performance enhancing tool for people with less powerful GPUs and/or ultra high resolution screens, nothing more, nothing less. I don't want it, but that doesn't take away from its value. Feel free to insist on believing that I'm an enemy of DLSS even though I'm not, if that makes you feel any better, although I don't know why you would want that.

 

[wolf]

If the poll is only for DLSS users, then why do we have "no DLSS" and "FSR on Nvidia" as possible options?

Title:

What's your preferred DLSS config?​

post #1

In the past few months, DLSS has evolved into a suite of technologies that extend beyond mere "upscaling"

NVIDIA users: we're curious... if a game fully supports all the available options, which ones would you choose?

DLSS Upscaling, to achieve higher FPS, but with a lower render resolution? or maybe you prefer native rendering, but with increased FPS from Frame Generation? What about DLAA?

(We intentionally didn't include Ray Reconstruction in this poll)

Poll options - all options available to Nvidia RTX users, even the no DLSS options make specific mention that it's on Nvidia or DLSS is disabled.

• Native (DLSS disabled)​

• Native + Frame Generation​

• DLAA​

• DLAA + Frame Generation​

• Upscaling​

• Upscaling + Frame Generation​

• FSR (on NVIDIA)​

  ​

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Seems pretty obvious to me, I can't help the way you interpreted this or that you just didn't care and wanted to say your piece again anyway.

I didn't put the word gimmick in your mouth, you wrote it, multiple times, it's been clear what it was about for a long time, years, you can't convince me it's not what you ever were asserting. Not your current opinion? cool. Lets move on.

 

[AusWolf]

Title:

post #1

Poll options - all options available to Nvidia RTX users, even the no DLSS options make specific mention that it's on Nvidia or DLSS is disabled.

Seems pretty obvious to me, I can't help the way you interpreted this or that you just didn't care and wanted to say your piece again anyway.

I didn't read the first post, didn't even vote here in the forum, but on the front page - as someone who's been visiting TPU for quite some time now, this is on me, I agree, but you seriously can't expect every single TPU reader to go into the forum and read the first post before voting.

I didn't put the word gimmick in your mouth, you wrote it, multiple times, it's been clear what it was about for a long time, years, you can't convince me it's not what you ever were asserting. Not your current opinion? cool. Lets move on.

Yes, I've used the word "gimmick" or "gimmicks", but not in conjunction with DLSS. I do think frame generation is a gimmick for the above reasons. DLSS however, is not if you're in need of some extra performance with your GPU at your desired resolution. I do not need or want DLSS in my main PC. That does not make me oppose the technology, as I do think it's cool for some people in some situations, just not for me. Are we clear?

 

[umeng2002]

1440p and under, you need to stick to DLSS Quality with sharpening of some kind. I normally disable the DLSS sharpener and inject AMD CAS. CAS just looks better to me. I find DLSS frame generation great as long as you can keep the native rendered frame above 35 for latency sake.

 

[wolf]

I didn't read the first post, didn't even vote here in the forum, but on the front page - as someone who's been visiting TPU for quite some time now, this is on me, I agree, but you seriously can't expect every single TPU reader to go into the forum and read the first post before voting.

Title already made it clear for me, and no I don't expect everyone to abide by the request if the way it was created put zero controls in place to mitigate non RTX users from voting or commenting, especially the frontpage presentation, hence why I've commented and made that clear that the poll results and discussion aren't very well aligned to the request, and thus the results lack integrity.

Are we clear?

I am crystal clear on your current opinion, yes.

 

[lexluthermiester]

An unsurprising result from someone who would rather run zero antialiasing at all lol.

I'm running 1440p. You're running 4k. AntiAliasing is NOT needed for such high resolutions. Using any form of AA at such high resolutions is a total waste of GPU processing power as the effect rendered does little to nothing for image quality. This has been more or less proven, so put a sock in it will ya?

What video card do you use for gaming?

3080. Your point?

both the discussion and poll results are skewed by non DLSS users.

What YOU think is not relevant. The voting option and thus discussion invitation to such is directly implied. So there's that.

Shall we leave it there?

That would likely be best.

but you seriously can't expect every single TPU reader to go into the forum and read the first post before voting.

True! When polls are presented on the front page, you can't even see the comments section, it's just the voting options.

 

[wolf]

I'm running 1440p. You're running 4k. AntiAliasing is NOT needed for such high resolutions. Using any form of AA at such high resolutions is a total waste of GPU processing power as the effect rendered does little to nothing for image quality. This has been more or less proven, so put a sock in it will ya?

I respect your opinion and personally disagree, but I won't stop you/argue against using No AA, I'm just interested in your opinion. I also don't think no AA "has done little to nothing for image quality and is more or less proven", but again how you want to play your games is totally up to you, power to you for your own IQ preferences.

No I won't put a sock in it, why so rude? it's a discussion.

3080. Your point?

Curious if you had access to DLSS, that's all.

What YOU think is not relevant. The voting option and thus discussion invitation to such is directly implied. So there's that.

By the same token I'm going to go with, what YOU think isn't relevant. The title, thread and poll, and presentation of them all speak for themselves.

That would likely be best.

Not asking you, but thanks for your opinion on it

 

[lexluthermiester]

No I won't put a sock in it, why so rude? it's a discussion.

Your statement seemed condescending and berating based on vocabulary choice. Example?...

power to you for your own IQ preferences.

...that. If you're going to make comments like this, you have no room to complain when people respond in kind.

By the same token I'm going to go with, what YOU think isn't relevant.

Except that I am actually participating in context with the poll. You seem to have missed that.

The title, thread and poll, and presentation of them all speak for themselves.

Context is important, you've miss some. What was that about IQ?

Not asking you

Gonna go with, I don't care.

but thanks for your opinion on it

No problem! Anytime!

 

[wolf]

Except that I am actually participating in context with the poll.

I never said that you weren't? I apologise if I sounded condescending to you, I know a fair few people who like no AA at all, and I can certainly respect that choice while finding it's the polar opposite of what I would do.

How about a reset mate, I suppose neither of us meant to come across the way we did to each other (I hope so at least, because I never meant to), and continuing to repeat ourselves won't go anywhere.

 

[AusWolf]

Let me just disclose that I'm not against anyone's opinion here.

I do think, honestly, that it's in everyone's best interest to try DLSS with an Nvidia card, or FSR with AMD and make one's own personal judgement instead of relying on what the press, or other forum users say.

I also do think that based on that experience, all opinions are valid and correct. If you like upscaling with your system at your monitor's resolution, that's cool. If you'd rather play at native, equally cool. If you think DLSS is the best thing ever, that's awesome and I wish you many hours of enjoying your favourite games with it. For me, it's just a helping hand to squeeze some extra performance out of a system that's lacking for the desired resolution, but who cares? It's just me, a random nobody.

With that said, let's never forget that all pro and contra opinion is based on our own experiences, our own expectations of what a game should look like, and our own system configs. We're all very different people connected by the fact that we all like technology and/or gaming in some shape or form. We're only discussing a tool here - a tool that you don't have to use if you don't want to, but that doesn't take away from other people's experience.

Here's one for peace.

 

[lexluthermiester]

How about a reset mate

Fair enough, let's do that. I'm not one to hold a grudge.

Here's one for peace.

Agreed!

Although, I'm going to mention again the idea of trying your fav game without DLSS/FSR/AA and see how you like it. Leave AF on max though, it's almost a free effect and definitely makes an improvement to image quality.

 

[AusWolf]

Fair enough, let's do that. I'm not one to hold a grudge.


Agreed!

Although, I'm going to mention again the idea of trying your fav game without DLSS/FSR/AA and see how you like it. Leave AF on max though, it's almost a free effect and definitely makes an improvement to image quality.

Agreed as well. One can only form adequate opinion after looking at the matter from both sides.

 

[AleXXX666]

Upscaling, mostly for lowered power draw.

and power limit is joke for you...

 

[phanbuey]

Suprised to see so many Native votes... i think native + taa looks like crap compared to DLSS or DLAA

 

[Chomiq]

Suprised to see so many Native votes... i think native + taa looks like crap compared to DLSS or DLAA

It can, but there are some instances where effects get boggled by DLSS algo. Also:

Watch the first 10 seconds, that's DLSS quality on 3440x1440.

They're using DLSS version from August, I doubt that Easy Anticheat will let me swap it to the latest one from TPU.

 

[oiawshboiwsahnoidaws]

Im doing DLDSR + DLSS + Frame Generation for maximum fakeness (lol)
But for real lately im running DLDSR and DLSS as i like the image it gives nice temporal stability and sharpness... tho DLDSR costs quite a bit performance

 

[Kaleid]

Currently native, with 10% sharpening
Maybe FSR 3 is something to have, we'll see

 

[Klemc]

DLSS, best available Q (2.5.1 .dll, always)
FG
RR (Alan W2, CP2077)
I see another option, independant, Super Res, in FIST, kept disabled.

120 FPS (aim) on 240hz. Cold PC& smooth play (4070ti/7800x3d).

 

[ToxicTaZ]

With my new MSI RTX 4080 Super 16G SUPRIM X... I use DLSS 3.0 & 3.5 if available obviously to take advantage of my Hardware with all AAA Gaming.

My RTX 4080 Super 16GB is driving my MSI MEG OPTIX MEG381CQR PLUS 38" 3840X1600 with G-Sync Ultimate 144Hz.

I don't have any issues with performance. All buttery smooth also probably because I'm not trying to run 4K.

Cheers

 

[wolf]

@W1zzard DLL 3.7.0 has just released and has a new internal preset, users reporting further improvements like detail, stability, ghosting reduction etc. Just an FYI for the download section here at TPU