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Announcement: VPN's no longer work right in Windows 10 or 11 or Servers

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I enjoy not being remotely hacked :)

Yeah, cause that totally happens to random private individuals...

Sure, corporations are in actual risk of being hacked, but no actual hacker is gonna waste their time trying to hack some average joes pc...

Use a vpn and you're fine... that is unless you run the newest os update... lol...
 

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I forgot to mention my 100 BTC :
 
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Uninstalled this update a few hours ago, MF'rs installed it again and asking to restart :mad:
 
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If your software is in support you are fine. But a lot of users here are using builds with support dropped or resisting updates. There's the rub.
We've come to expect to be beta testers for every new Windows and the feature updates that follow. We know something is bound to break, and hope that the issues will be small and mostly cosmetic.

Yet we trust Microsoft's security updates to be industrial quality, thoroughly tested products, made by top class software designers and developers, and not opening any new security holes.

Isn't that somewhat irrational?
 
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If your software is in support you are fine.
That's not the issue. The issue is the fact that this supported software is breaking things badly. Great, there's a problem, ask Microsoft for help.

It sure helped here. Not.

Microsoft needs to do a better job releasing Patch Tuesday updates that don't cause major problems. Pretty much every Patch Tuesday release breaks something important for someone. Not everything, not everyone, not all at once. But Microsoft simply isn't spending enough effort testing things before release.

THAT is why I wait a couple of weeks before installing Patch Tuesday updates. At my last corporate job, the IT department would install Patch Tuesday updates on test systems and try them out with the company's most used applications BEFORE pushing out the Patch Tuesday updates to employees (which often happened on the weekend following Patch Tuesday).

Because troubleshooting Microsoft's f-ups is A BIG WASTE OF TIME. No one wants that, even if they have support. Support is not the issue. The time wasted on Microsoft's incompetence is the issue. And inconvenience to people who did nothing wrong on their own like employees who rely on their IT staff to install updates.

But a lot of users here are using builds with support dropped or resisting updates. There's the rub.

That makes zero sense. This topic is about a broken Patch Tuesday update that is borking VPN, an important tool used in the corporate world. KB5036893 cannot be installed on unsupported builds. And those who resist updates wouldn't have the problem (just more security vulnerabilities, but at least they can use their VPNs).

And no one can tell just by looking at someone's TPU handle that they are using an unsupported build of Windows.

Whenever I fire up a Windows box, regardless of whether or not it's on my time or on a work clock, there is no benefit for me throwing away my time trying to dig myself out of Microsoft's cesspool. I didn't boot my Windows system to deal with this crap. I booted it to write some e-mails, maybe look at a spreadsheet. Or maybe look at cat videos and play Fortnite. Support or not, KB failures does not help be do any of these things.

Worse, it just erodes user confidence in Microsoft even if the particular failure doesn't affect you directly. It's like a school shooting. Even if no bullets hit you, there's damage done anyhow. That's a rather extreme analogy but Microsoft does not come out ahead if only 30% are affected by snafu versus 35%. It's the continual loss of trust.

Trust is earned and Microsoft is squandering far faster than they are earning it these days.
 
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Want some UFOs with that tin foil hat there sir?
Yea, I like tin foil AND Ufo's too, hehehe :D

fyi I was being sarcastic in my post, just so you know...
 

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Indeed, which is why i dont get why so many people are so eager to run the newest os, which is essentially being a beta tester...

Same reason i run win10 and i always have updates delayed for as long as possible...

it also effects windows 10 users

I enjoy not being remotely hacked :)

I always go to control panel on a new install install and turn off any remote connection option. and I make sure its turned off in regular settings too. does that mean I could still be targeted with a remote connection or not? is there something I am missing?

I forgot to mention my 100 BTC :

who, what, when, where - do I need to snuggle/cuddle with to get listed on your will? :roll:
 

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Stop the insults.
Discuss the topic and not each other.
 
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You probably have a better chance getting hit by a car walking across the street. Or even having your healthcare provider's servers get breached.

The bad guys are more interested in breaking into servers run by Marriott, healthcare systems, universities, etc. They really don't care about much about Joe Consumer. Sure it would be a headache and an uncomfortable violation of your sense of security but unless you are doing something really, Really, REALLY stupid (which some people here at TPU are quite capable of), this probably isn't top priority.

The typical consumer user is better off changing weak old passwords than trying to install Patch Tuesday dumpster fire updates when they are released.

I'm not saying you should toss caution out the window. But in the big scheme of things, religiously installing Microsoft's trash on the second Tuesday of every month isn't really the best idea in 2024 (based on the frequency of busted KBs).
I think a home user's security is pretty much covered by not clicking on suspicious links, Facebook ads (an ad blocker is a must), and successfully identifying and not replying to phishing emails. I extend that by storing critical data on several separate drives that are not connected to my PC. There is not a single person on earth who could hack the hard drives sitting on my shelf without plugging them into something first.

I forgot to mention my 100 BTC :
I see. So what's your IP address again? :D
 
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We've come to expect to be beta testers for every new Windows and the feature updates that follow. We know something is bound to break, and hope that the issues will be small and mostly cosmetic.

Yet we trust Microsoft's security updates to be industrial quality, thoroughly tested products, made by top class software designers and developers, and not opening any new security holes.

Isn't that somewhat irrational?
No, what's honestly irrational is expecting that the alternative is any better: that old software will be safe.

Trust is earned and Microsoft is squandering far faster than they are earning it these days.
I agree, which is why I went Linux some time ago. But I wouldn't run an old unsupported distro either (and yes, there are perfectly valid reasons to stick with windows as well).

P.S., don't forget to uncheck xzutils when you install Linux! Good fun!!
That'll break your whole distro. How about we just use the last stable package, like 99% of distros did all along?

That makes zero sense. This topic is about a broken Patch Tuesday update that is borking VPN
I was referring to whole build lifecycles being used out of support. Curating patches like this is fine, even necessary on windows, honestly.
 
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No, what's honestly irrational is expecting that the alternative is any better: that old software will be safe.


I agree, which is why I went Linux some time ago. But I wouldn't run an old unsupported distro either (and yes, there are perfectly valid reasons to stick with windows as well).


That'll break your whole distro. How about we just use the last stable package, like 99% of distros did all along?


I was referring to whole build lifecycles being used out of support. Curating patches like this is fine, even necessary on windows, honestly.
yep same here got really tired of windows bs and bloat and instability..
 
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There is legitimate M$ app that can show/hide updates from listing and not bother you anymore :)
Here are the steps:

1. If the update is being automatically installed, you can temporarily disable automatic updating to prevent the update from being automatically installed.

2. If this is an unwanted installed Windows Update, then uninstall the update.

3. If this is an unwanted driver that was installed via Windows Update but cannot be uninstalled using step 2 above, then uninstall the driver in Device Manager.

4. Download the wushowhide.diagcab file from the KB3073930 webpage at Microsoft for the Show or hide updates troubleshooter package. or use ZIP from TenForum Download

5. Save the wushowhide.diagcab(or zip) file to your desktop and extract the wushowhide.diagcab file in case you downloaded ZIP.

6. Double click/tap on the extracted wushowhide.diagcab file to open it, and click/tap on Advanced. (see screenshot below)


If you like, you can save this .cab file to where you like, and create a shortcut to add to All apps or where you like for easy usage.

Hide or Show Windows Updates in Windows 10-windows_10_show_or_hide_updates-1.png


7. Check the Apply repairs automatically box, and click/tap on Next. (see screenshot below)

Hide or Show Windows Updates in Windows 10-windows_10_show_or_hide_updates-2.png


8. When it's finished detecting problems, click/tap on the Hide updates option. (see screenshot below)

Hide or Show Windows Updates in Windows 10-windows_10_show_or_hide_updates-3.png


9. Check the box of any available updates that you want to hide, and click/tap on Next. (see screenshot below)

Hide or Show Windows Updates in Windows 10-windows_10_hide_updates-1.png


10. The selected updates are now hidden. Click/tap on Close when finished. (see screenshot below)

Hide or Show Windows Updates in Windows 10-windows_10_hide_updates-2.png


11. If you like, you can enable automatic updating again.

Enjoy your selectable updates.
 
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