Thursday, March 28th 2024
Developers of Outpost Infinity Siege Recommend Underclocking i9-13900K and i9-14900K for Stability on Machines with RTX 4090
Outpost: Infinity Siege developers recommend underclocking Intel's current and previous flagship desktop processors, the Core i9-14900K and i9-13900K, to prevent the game from crashing. This recommendation goes out to those with a GeForce RTX 4090 paired with either a Core i9-13900K or i9-14900K, we're fairly sure that the recommendation even extends to those with i9-14900KS and i9-13900KS. Team Ranger, the developers of the game, just released their second patch in just a week following the game's launch. In the patch notes, they ask users to use Intel Extreme Tuning Utility (XTU), to lower the P-core clock speeds down to at least 5.00 GHz (maximum boost). This development closely follows a February 2024 report which says that game stability issues of high-end "Raptor Lake" processors are linked to power limit unlocks.
Source:
Tom's Hardware
85 Comments on Developers of Outpost Infinity Siege Recommend Underclocking i9-13900K and i9-14900K for Stability on Machines with RTX 4090
I don't blame Intel nor AMD, GPUs are totally fine consuming more, so it can work for a consumer device with no issues if you design it properly. It's all about quality control, proper testing and cheaping out.
Also technically you can't test the number of possible combinations of software &/or hardware on any system to test all plausible causes of instability ~ the possibilities are literally endless. Most "stable" PC's are functionally/practically stable though not theoretically.
Limiting the CPU to intel defaults of 253w and maybe even setting iccmax to 307 amps (also default) would likely solve the issues.
Motherboards defaulting to such insane power settings these days is totally insane to me.
Pushing these chips so they can get back the gaming crown from x3d f-stability hehe :pimp:
RMA already does that if used although shipping to Intel costs the buyer.
Issue is later batch chips usually from Taiwan sp65+- are always worse than early release chips usually from China sp90+-
So all these poor performing chips you may get a worse batch hehe
In a more serious mode one could argue when you have a power rail type issue, whether its bad VRM, and PSU or whatever, then underclocking a CPU (or GPU) can fix issues, but is this what is really about and if it is, its a bit misrepresentative as its presented as a problem that would be generic or a flaw with the platform rather than a workaround for specific hardware combinations.
And why would Intel respond with settings to change to avoid the problem and also replace CPUs if you show them this issue?
Is it just because RAD Game Tools has such an impeccable reputation going back 30 years as a middle-ware vendor that Intel is playing nice?
Really makes one think.
On another board if I enable XMP, it significantly over volts the IMC.
We know the ASUS debacle of blowing up AMD 7000 series chips. Then changing their web site to make it look as if the problem was never there, removing liability etc.
Making MCE a standard default bios mode.
For sure is arguments to lock down the bios, as motherboards manufacturers are failing to show restraint, they all want that extra few % on motherboard reviews.
It wouldnt surprise me if my 120C tjmax bios is an ex review bios, where they forgot to flip the default back for public consumption. (reviewer shows in video, look I am using auto for tjmax).
I think a solution I would like to see is, where Intel/AMD have to approve each bios before release, the Board vendors have a bad boy points system, different mistakes give different points, if they get X amount of points within a period of time, they go through a ban of being allowed any K or X features in their bios at all, full lockdown, to comply and not be labelled as a bad boy, all non spec features "have" to be off by default.
The industry is in a bit of a mess. What are these settings Intel advised to change? I didnt comment on them as they wasnt disclosed. I assumed in my head though Intel are likely telling people to configure spec power limit's.
Any Raptor Lake system that is crashing at stock is due to user error, such as unlocking the power without suitable cooling or an insufficient power supply. A lot of the time, people just enable XMP too, which is not a wise thing to do, unless you have a kit with a very conservative XMP profile, especially if you're running in a closed case with low fan speeds aka hotbox. I have never experienced any instability in any game or software with my i9-13900KS. I mean this is an enthusiast product. Removing the power limit is an awesome ability to have. But it's unwise to do so on a conventional machine. With 360-420 mm AIO's or large tower heatsinks such as the NH-D15, you won't want to run a Raptor chip above 300 W.