Microsoft going all in on AI feels like them going all in on tablets with Windows 8. Then they were so leery of the even's good, odd's bad, they just skipped to Windows 10 and ignored 9 altogether. This is definitely Valve's moment to get a SteamOS out that just snatches gaming PC's out from under Microsoft. I hope they're getting ready.

"Windows 10 will be the last Windows"

That didn't age very well.

GerKNGalready did it on two out of three machines after exclusively using windows since 2004


that's basically exactly how you use linux nowadays.
you install for example mint or even stuff like arch with KDE, land on the desktop and open discover, type in whatever you need and install it.
and if it's not available there (mullvad VPN is one that comes in my mind) you go to the website, download the file and install like on windows.
you have the option to use the command line. you basically never have to except if you want to do something very specific that is beyond normal usage.

I'm not a proponent of Linux, but it's very much a novice-friendly, GUI-only experience (if you want it to be) for many of the popular distros these days.

Sure, you can use the command line, but you're an outlier if, as a Windows user, you've never made registry or local policy edits to fix something "sucking fupid" that Microsoft have forced on you against your will. Let's face it, if you behave in the perfect "as-Microsoft-wants-you-to" way, you're renting your PC, have zero control or privacy, and are forced to pay endlessly for a bunch of subscriptions that have replaced things you used to simply get for free, or pay once and never pay again.

Seems MS has realised there will be some demand for this.

techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/plan-for-windows-10-eos-with-windows-11-windows-365-and-esu/ba-p/4000414

A solution for those willing to pay to keep 10 going, available to consumers, extended security update program.

I'm tired of Windows.

It’s curtains for Windows

I managed to keep Windows 2K3 / workstation running all the way past Win 7, and only migrated to W10. I hope i can make W10 last until 2030. No I won’t subscribe to W365 SAAS

I just downgraded from Win10 to Win11 earlier this week, can't wait to upgrade to Win12 next year.

Chrispy_Linux will move to us. The Steam deck has already proved that Windows isn't needed for a top-tier gaming experience and the fact the Steam deck is unquestionably the best handheld console despite the hardware advantages of things like the Ally and Legion proves just how far Microsoft are behind the curve in terms of software. Software is the only thing the Deck has going for it, yet it completely trounces the competition even with its inferior screen, processor, GPU, and battery. The PS5 doesn't run Windows either, and the PS5 has won the console war this generation by a sales landslide victory of something ridiculous like 2:1!

If the only thing tying people to Windows is gaming support, that bastion is being eroded faster than I can look up the numbers for it.

Professionals will keep it alive. The guy insisting on using open-source alternatives when the team uses an industry standard (adobe *cough*Maxon *cough*) will become the annoying guy to work with.
Along with all the laptops being sold with Windows to people not tech literate enough to install Linux afterward, or might not even know what Linux is in the first place.

It would be nice to be able to migrate to Linux and not lose anything, but as it stands, some people can't reasonably switch sides.

AI for what?

PapaTaipeiAI for what?

Exactly!

...and they said windows 10 would be the last version of winows lol

Tek-CheckApple? No thanks. It's the most anti-consumer hardware platform in the world. You can't upgrade anything on your own. And when you want to add 16GB of RAM or 1TB SSD, they will take the skin off your body and charge you extortionate prices. Nonsense.

if I had to go to apple for the specs I got on this system I'd have to pay nearing 2k

Dell Inspiron 15 3525 : AMD Ryzen 7 5700u @ 1.9GHz (8c16t) // 16GB RAM // 1TB NVME SSD

PapaTaipeiAI for what?

Data mining your behaviors and spying on your files. Then selling that data for money, including to governments. They will then sell you an AI product trained on all of that data.

umeng2002Data mining your behaviors and spying on your files. Then selling that data for money, including to governments. They will then sell you an AI product trained on all of that data.

Cool some of us will finally get friends.

Seriously, I'm not really a fan of AI and thete certainly IS some data harvesting going on, but the levels of paranoia in tech forums really can be a hoot some days.

dyonoctisadobe

I run photoshop on linux fine here. *shrugs*

The "paranoia" is probably going to look real nice in a few years, reminds me of people's attitudes before Snowden and "We kill people based on meta-data".
arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/12/due-to-ai-we-are-about-to-enter-the-era-of-mass-spying-says-bruce-schneier/

FourstaffI just downgraded from Win10 to Win11 earlier this week, can't wait to upgrade to Win12 next year.

Even IF it's for real, you'd still want to wait a year or two.

lexluthermiesterEven IF it's for real, you'd still want to wait a year or two.

Yeah, pretty much. I don't recall there ever being a version of Windows that was great to jump to immediately. Even in the past, I'd wait until at least the first service pack.

dyonoctisProfessionals will keep it alive. The guy insisting on using open-source alternatives when the team uses an industry standard (adobe *cough*Maxon *cough*) will become the annoying guy to work with.
Along with all the laptops being sold with Windows to people not tech literate enough to install Linux afterward, or might not even know what Linux is in the first place.

It would be nice to be able to migrate to Linux and not lose anything, but as it stands, some people can't reasonably switch sides.

Huh?
All these apps you're talking about are fast becoming browser-based. The only thing separating Windows and Linux in the future is how good the experience is getting to your browser.
We're not there yet, I can still name dozens of mainstream software packages that aren't browser-based, but several of the major vendors are moving away from a Win32 traditional model.

sLowEndI don't recall there ever being a version of Windows that was great to jump to immediately.

Oh, Windows 7 was an instant jump for me. Without a doubt, best Windows ever. Windows 11 is hit or miss with people. I like it because it's better than Windows 10(to me), so I jumped ship to 11 instantly as well.

The comments, as always, are more entertaining than the news. Which, btw, is not an actual confirmation...

The windows logo at this rate is going to be looking like the window of a prison cell.

Windows AI going to one day be like "user deemed unnecessary, termination imminent"

lexluthermiesterOh, Windows 7 was an instant jump for me. Without a doubt, best Windows ever. Windows 11 is hit or miss with people. I like it because it's better than Windows 10(to me), so I jumped ship to 11 instantly as well.

Microsoft processed all the time the same. Since the beginning MS copied others. They didn't make it right. We need MS-DOS? Copy CPM. Windows? Copy IBM OS/2. What? Apple has blablabla? Let's copy that. Linux has something els interesting? Copy it. RiscOS has something interesting? Copy it. And that is going on since the beginning. Copying, trying to integrate and failing. Changing the UI with every new big release. And all the time it got more worse. They even copied the "Guru meditation message" from the Commodore Amiga and named it Blue Screen. Apple is getting informed what users are doing? We want it also.

I had a long time Win10 because of my Mainboard. For TPM 2.0 i did need a new chip integrated. Then i found Rufus and gave Win11 a try. My first thought was if MS want to kidden me. I needed weeks to get the UI in the old fashion. And i didn't made it. For me the Bar at the bottom has to be on the upper side of the desktop. I have that there since i had the Commodore Amiga 2000. But in Win11 it is forbidden. Why? That i cannot control a Webcam if it is taking videos? Btw. mine is only connected when I need it.

gurusmiMicrosoft processed all the time the same. Since the beginning MS copied others. They didn't make it right. We need MS-DOS? Copy CPM. Windows? Copy IBM OS/2. What? Apple has blablabla? Let's copy that. Linux has something els interesting? Copy it. RiscOS has something interesting? Copy it. And that is going on since the beginning. Copying, trying to integrate and failing. Changing the UI with every new big release. And all the time it got more worse. They even copied the "Guru meditation message" from the Commodore Amiga and named it Blue Screen. Apple is getting informed what users are doing? We want it also.

What? :confused: I wasn't talking about any of that..:wtf:

chrcolukA solution for those willing to pay to keep 10 going, available to consumers, extended security update program.

You know like those govts, banks or any other number of massive clinets who pay for it?

I think a few of the banks' ATM's around here still run on XP so this isn't new :ohwell:

FourstaffI just downgraded from Win10 to Win11 earlier this week, can't wait to upgrade to Win12 next year.

That's a bold strategy Colton, let's see if it pays off!

lexluthermiesterWhat? :confused: I wasn't talking about any of that..:wtf:

I did want to say to you that there is not even one good Windows. ;)

chrcolukSeems MS has realised there will be some demand for this.

techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/plan-for-windows-10-eos-with-windows-11-windows-365-and-esu/ba-p/4000414

A solution for those willing to pay to keep 10 going, available to consumers, extended security update program.

Professionally it is a question of money. Does a rollout of a new version cost more that that program you linked.

An RollOut is not only installing a new version. There are branches that need to be certified by officials. The costs for a new version explodes. I'm a project manager in Software rollout so i know how much such a migration could cost. That depends on the branch. I.e. If a company migrates inside the pharmaceutical branch the company has to be certified by an official organization according to the Laws of EMA and FDA. I had a project where a bank did want to upgrade from Win 7 to Win 10, It has been only an investment bank. But the project for that 1.000 Users in 10 Dependencies did take over 1 Year. You don't want to know how much that did cost in total. I also had migrations in the pharmaceuticaal/BioTech/MedTech branch. You also don't want to know how much there an migration can cost.

It starts with a research what software is used. Then they have to check if all of their software will work on the new version also. After that there will be a check what kind og Hardware is used and if all the hardware is supported by the new version. All the Users have to be trained. All the SOP's (Standard operational procedures) have to be rewritten. Everything has to be prepared. Till here we are talking about some millions of Dollars depending on the complexity of the architecture and the branch. The breakeven where the price of a migration is much higher that keeping the old version and paying for this program is reached quite fast. It is not like at home where one just installs a new version.